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Wed Jan 16, 2013, 6:57 PM
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
This might need some updating now that SXC no longer allow photomanips
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes it does thank you. :heart:
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:iconrustymermaid:
rustymermaid Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013
Great topic.
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:D
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:iconaustriaangloalliance:
Perhaps you could give Safe-Stock-Resources a plug :-)
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will get around to naming names, great idea!
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:iconaustriaangloalliance:
Thanks Max :-)
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BKennedy-Photography Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013   General Artist
I second that! :D
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sylor41 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for this :), its sure to be a help to some people.
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks I hope so
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:iconnotvitruvian:
Notvitruvian Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
This is certainly a topical hot potato Max and a wise selection for an opener !! :clap:
Slug22 is right - it is a minefield and SV / yourselves have reminded me to be careful more than once.
This includes unreferenced cut-out stock in particular.
One question, a long time ago I received a number of 'royalty free' images as part of a software bundle -
there is obviously no traceability to the originator, therefore are these classified as my own resource (should I ever decide to use them)?? :hmm:
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:iconslug22:
Slug22 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I'd say if you still have the original packaging stating that it is royalty free and you name the software as a credit then you should be covered. I would check the documentation first to make sure that manipulation is covered with the release.
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Notvitruvian Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Thanks for the feedback :thumbsup:
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The easiest way is just to state 'royalty free' images. Thats all I do and I have never been asked to prove it. Like my Poe image was gotten from Wiki that one the copyright was expired. If it comes from a site (which there are many) just name the site or link to it. But yes Slug is right too, I just wanted to give you more ideas to use.
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Notvitruvian Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I like that !! And thanks for the info Max ;)
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no problem.
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:iconslug22:
Slug22 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Stock and resources is a huge minefield and you have to tread carefully. But the very least thing you can do is to credit the stock provider, that way if the stock is not legitimate the blame will tend to land elsewhere (but never quote Google images...have you ever typed in your User ID in Google?).
As for crediting stock [link] This tutorial by :iconcelticstrm-stock: is quite good I usually write it all up in note before pasting into my description :)
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nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for the link I collected it. "The blame will tend to land elsewhere" doesn't always work. Once you have been with dA for a while you can sometimes spot stolen art. Just because I posted it and you use it thinking its stolen and just passing the buck...Unknown stockers or New ones are the ones you should be very careful with. If you are determined to use a piece at least check out there page. If they are a stock thief most of the time there is a tell in comments. :D
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Slug22 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Yes that would definitely be the case if you used it suspecting that it was stolen, but if you used it on good faith there would be no blame but there may be consequences such as having to remove the material from your deviation or remove your deviation.
I have just set up a new stock account and have stated on it that I can provide proof of originality and I can. :)
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nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have been following your stock and you have some great pieces. I hope to use a few soon! I was in that situation once. I used a piece that wasnt real stock and I was told to remove it. Since I dont save files I had to delete the dev. Shit happens!!!
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Slug22 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Yes unfortunately lol, I'm just in the process of looking through yours too ;)
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:iconnitch-stock: :iconvariety-stock:
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Slug22 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
bookmarked thanks :D ... you've been here forever ;)
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nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
all most. :D
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MariaBeloArt Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tho I can understand all the points of view on your journal I'm a little confused here, so you want to say there is only a few places where stock is valid, but and what if you only take stock from DA ( I do that always and only here) and the person that I take the stock from, stole it from someone else? Even when they are "popular" you never know if ALL their creations are their own, it's impossible to know. So how can we be 100% sure we are not stepping on someones toes?
And another question, If you're a manipulator and you credit everyone, stocks, premades, models, photographers, you play by the book but the stock artist doesn't provide all the info on his/hers stock ( even if they are very well known here and popular) why do we see our work declined?
And lastly what if the popular stock provider doesn't show up for months on DA ( for wtv reason) and they do premades but they don't give the info on all their providers and IF they even use them, is it fair to the manipulator to get his/hers work decline on groups, DD's etc?

Note: I have all the respect in the world for all the artists on DA but these are questions who made me wonder after reading all the new rules on the site :)
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nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1) the new stockers seem to be the biggest offenders, try to look for clues on there page or use people who are known on da. The short list that da suggested is just that a suggestion. Going to a site to find stock (ALWAYS) read the TOS of the site and the artist, credit as they want you too.

2)You just answered your own question. :) When in doubt or you notice that they are not giving proper info don't use it.. Its the when in doubt thing.

3)I personally would stay away from premades that don't have credits of the stock used. I have been doing this myself for a few months and its hard to do but best. There is always this thing in the back of my head that asks why we need to use them anyhow, we are artists and its more fun to me just to create my own. I have found myself even using permades with credit but making my own using there stock list. :D

I hope this helps some.
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JocelynPatrick Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's also important to note that some stock artists don't want their stock used in premades, but people can do it (not paying attention). I stay away from premades of all kinds, period. But that is just my personal choice. ;)
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MariaBeloArt Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
;) indeed thanks, kinda helps to see other people opinions on this matter, really made me wonder :)
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
your welcome
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Just-A-Little-Knotty Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Professional General Artist
Great start on a long overlooked subject :clap:
I'd love it if you interviewed SV and document her take on the use of premades. Which ones shouldn't be used & why.
This way I'd have a place to send deviants to when I have to decline their work lol
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:iconnitchwarmer:
nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have her on my list. Thats a subject I would like more info on myself.
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Just-A-Little-Knotty Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Professional General Artist
awesome :D
I know what she said. But Id like a journal that speaks specifically on that topic that I can
link to when I have to decline work because of the premade they used.
Showing examples of useable & what to avoid in that journal would be a plus also.
Ive had so many use a popular background maker on DA who never credits unless its DA stock that she used.
Or they purchased them from her website & there are no credits.
I explain over & over again that just because they bought it from their website & she does beautiful work, doesnt make it useable lol
But I think artists would find it more plausible if it came from someone like SV. No beating around the bush & trying to make it sound nice. Just plain simple (no way to translate it differently) type facts. :nod:
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nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do plan on dealing with facts here. People are confused enough without someone else giving them the run around. I think thats why I was given the job, I seldom hold punches. :D
Great to have you following the group.
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ScatteredAshe Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fantastic intro to the series! :clap:

I'm excited to see more, thanks Max! :tighthug:
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nitchwarmer Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you very much I am excited too.
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